that was the reality before the law. millions of people in our country including 1.5 million new jerseyans with no insurance whatsoever going to an american -- as their primary care source and we had a set of circumstances in which insurance companies could freely discriminate against individuals. based on preexisting conditions. all of that is largely done away with the affordable care act when we get to full implementation. in fact many small businesses in our state have already begun to get access to the subsidies to offer insurance and so controlling costs, moving to a preventative health care system and making sure that we end the discrimination on insurance and making sure people are covered so they're not they are not driving the cost in an emergency room. >> moderator: senator kyrillos. kyrillos: i've been pretty clear about my position and we can talk about it now or another time. with regard to judges senator, i think it sometime -- point we will talk about the judge being held up for so long and contrast that